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How NOT to slurp a file into SKILL....

tweeks
tweeks over 11 years ago
;; Return the contents of FILE as a string... extremely slowly.
(defun BcmFileSlurpSlowly (file "t")
 (let (port line (lines ""))
   (unless (setq port (infile file))
      (error "Can't open %s" file))
    (while (gets line port)
      (setq lines (strcat lines line)))
    (close port)
    lines))

;; Return the contents of FILE as a string less slowly.
(defun BcmFileSlurpQuick (file "t")
  (let (port line lines)
    (unless (setq port (infile file))
      (error "Can't open %s" file))
    (while (gets line port)
      (push line lines))
    (close port)
    (buildString (reverse lines) "")))


> (sh "ypcat passwd > /tmp/passwd")
> (sh "wc -l /tmp/passwd")
39076 /tmp/passwd
t
> measureTime (BcmFileSlurpSlowly "/tmp/passwd")
(207.8354 1.708741 209.6785 0)


Three and a half minutes for a 39 kiloLine file?! :O



> measureTime (BcmFileSlurpQuick "/tmp/passwd")
(0.06999 0.001 0.07150483 0)

That's better. :)

Questions:

  1. Why is strcat so much slower than push + buildString + reverse?
  2. Why doesn't allocate('string 39076) help make the strcat() method faster?
  3. Could this be done even more quickly than BcmFileSlurpQuick()? What is the fastest known way to slurp a file in SKILL?
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  • tweeks
    tweeks over 11 years ago

    First, sorry for the slow response: I was on vacation, then I got sick, then my Cadence.com account decided to stop working.... 

    Second, thank you very much Andrew for the thoughtful and detailed reply.

    Andrew Beckett said:

    I think the most likely explanation is because strings are not mutable in SKILL. So each time you do a strcat it is having to create a brand new string, copying the previous contents. So it's going to have to copy the entire string so far into the new location - and that gets bigger and bigger on each successive copy and is going to be O(N^2) where N is the number of strings. I'd say the buildString approach is going to be pretty quick - sure, you're allocating a list but this is fairly efficient.

    Makes sense.

     

    Andrew Beckett said:

    I can't think of a quicker way in the absence of mutable strings.

    I'm surprised you didn't suggest tconc to get rid of the reverse(). :)

    Andrew Beckett said:

    If you have control over the format of the file and can make it SKILL-like, then lineread is quite an effective way of reading it in. But then it's not a single string...

    You made me think of creating a file that contains a giant double-quoted string, and then calling lineread() on it....  However, I believe there is a documented limit of 8k for strings read by read() or lineread().

    In retrospect, returning a giant string is generally less useful than a list of lines anyway.....

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  • tweeks
    tweeks over 11 years ago

    First, sorry for the slow response: I was on vacation, then I got sick, then my Cadence.com account decided to stop working.... 

    Second, thank you very much Andrew for the thoughtful and detailed reply.

    Andrew Beckett said:

    I think the most likely explanation is because strings are not mutable in SKILL. So each time you do a strcat it is having to create a brand new string, copying the previous contents. So it's going to have to copy the entire string so far into the new location - and that gets bigger and bigger on each successive copy and is going to be O(N^2) where N is the number of strings. I'd say the buildString approach is going to be pretty quick - sure, you're allocating a list but this is fairly efficient.

    Makes sense.

     

    Andrew Beckett said:

    I can't think of a quicker way in the absence of mutable strings.

    I'm surprised you didn't suggest tconc to get rid of the reverse(). :)

    Andrew Beckett said:

    If you have control over the format of the file and can make it SKILL-like, then lineread is quite an effective way of reading it in. But then it's not a single string...

    You made me think of creating a file that contains a giant double-quoted string, and then calling lineread() on it....  However, I believe there is a documented limit of 8k for strings read by read() or lineread().

    In retrospect, returning a giant string is generally less useful than a list of lines anyway.....

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