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Phase noise sensitivity to tstab

Hi,

I am simulating a ~25GHz LC oscillator using harmonic balance and pnoise, then calculating the phase noise at 10MHz offset (this offset is added as a specific point to pnoise). Even with the most aggressive accuracy settings (harm=40,steadyratio=1e-3,reltol=1e-6,vabstol=1e-9,iabstol=1e-12), the phase noise measurements are extremely sensitive to tstab. More specifically, the measurements are sensitive to where the oscillation begins.

Please correct me if I am wrong BUT if I want to sweep temperature or do Monte Carlo, this initial phase will vary and add +/-0.25dBc numerical noise to my results.

I attached to waveforms to show the problem. Figure #1 shows thelast cycles of initial transient simulation while Figure #2 shows the phase noise measurements. As you can see the measurements for 5nsec and 5.3nsec are close since the oscillations for these begin with a very similar phase. By the way, I am usingSpectre Version 7.1.1.317.isr19

Soner over 15 years ago

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Andrew Beckett over 15 years ago

I would suggest contacting Customer Support on this - it will probably need taking a look at your setup in more detail. It might just need a longer tstab, but it's hard to tell without seeing the circuit and doing some experiments.
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Andrew.
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