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Phase noise to phase jitter for square waves

yizh
yizh over 12 years ago

Hi,

I'm simulating a free running oscillator for jitter and I have the following question:

I have to run a "PNOISE - sources" simulation in order to recieve phase noise, since I have to filter the phase noise before integrating in to extract jitter (in order to mimic a PLL / CDR transfer function).

A few papers were written on the subject, some of them state that the integration upper limit is Fc/2 while others state that it is a few Fc. I assume that it should be a few Fc if the tested wave is a sine wave (i.e. no harmonics appear in the phase noise) and Fc/2 if it is a square wave.

As far as I understand, for square waves the jitter behavior of the first harmonic is similar to the jitter behavior of the square wave, thus it is assumed that integration up to Fc/2 takes into account only the first harmonic, otherwise the jitter will be summed more than once.

Please correct me if so far I'm wrong. Otherwise, here is a correction that I would like to do in my PNOISE simulation settings: instead of mixing the noise with many harmonics (i.e. Maximum sideband >> 1) and then integrating up to Fc/2, I might set maximum sideband to 1, thus the noise will be mixed only with the first harmonic, such that I will see a phase noise as if I had a pure sine wave at the input and not a square wave. Then, I would integrate up to a few Fc and see a more accurate jitter result.

In my simulations I see substantial difference between the two options, that's why the question is very important.

Any respose will we appreciated. I would especially like to hear Andrew Beckett's opinion on this.

Thanks!

 

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    Fazil over 10 years ago

    Dear Edouard, 

    I would highy appreciate if you can elaborate one point to me. 

    As per above point :4, if there are square wave buffers after oscillator. I should use PM jitter analysis to get correct number.

    I want to convert this jitter number "JEE" in plot option to phase noise. should I multiply by zero crossing slope to get phase noise from this. I tried but numbers do not make sense. 

    what is the correct way of converting JEE ( jitter type) to phase noise ( source type)

    Thanks

    Fazil

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  • Fazil
    Fazil over 10 years ago

    Dear Edouard, 

    I would highy appreciate if you can elaborate one point to me. 

    As per above point :4, if there are square wave buffers after oscillator. I should use PM jitter analysis to get correct number.

    I want to convert this jitter number "JEE" in plot option to phase noise. should I multiply by zero crossing slope to get phase noise from this. I tried but numbers do not make sense. 

    what is the correct way of converting JEE ( jitter type) to phase noise ( source type)

    Thanks

    Fazil

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