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Phase noise to phase jitter for square waves

yizh
yizh over 12 years ago

Hi,

I'm simulating a free running oscillator for jitter and I have the following question:

I have to run a "PNOISE - sources" simulation in order to recieve phase noise, since I have to filter the phase noise before integrating in to extract jitter (in order to mimic a PLL / CDR transfer function).

A few papers were written on the subject, some of them state that the integration upper limit is Fc/2 while others state that it is a few Fc. I assume that it should be a few Fc if the tested wave is a sine wave (i.e. no harmonics appear in the phase noise) and Fc/2 if it is a square wave.

As far as I understand, for square waves the jitter behavior of the first harmonic is similar to the jitter behavior of the square wave, thus it is assumed that integration up to Fc/2 takes into account only the first harmonic, otherwise the jitter will be summed more than once.

Please correct me if so far I'm wrong. Otherwise, here is a correction that I would like to do in my PNOISE simulation settings: instead of mixing the noise with many harmonics (i.e. Maximum sideband >> 1) and then integrating up to Fc/2, I might set maximum sideband to 1, thus the noise will be mixed only with the first harmonic, such that I will see a phase noise as if I had a pure sine wave at the input and not a square wave. Then, I would integrate up to a few Fc and see a more accurate jitter result.

In my simulations I see substantial difference between the two options, that's why the question is very important.

Any respose will we appreciated. I would especially like to hear Andrew Beckett's opinion on this.

Thanks!

 

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    Edouard over 10 years ago

    Hi Fazil,

    Sorry for late responding, I missed your email

    For some reason  the plot tool behavior is not precise,  you should not be provided JEE for an oscillator circuit; JEE is infinite for a free running oscillator since it lacks an absolute reference.  It is not always possible to convert between jitter and phase noise;   to be sure of the figures you get, you need to set simulation settings specifically, either  for jitter or for phase noise.    For oscillator you should only ask only  for self-referred jitter figures,  Jc(K) and Jcc(k),  but not JEE

    Edouard

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  • Edouard
    Edouard over 10 years ago

    Hi Fazil,

    Sorry for late responding, I missed your email

    For some reason  the plot tool behavior is not precise,  you should not be provided JEE for an oscillator circuit; JEE is infinite for a free running oscillator since it lacks an absolute reference.  It is not always possible to convert between jitter and phase noise;   to be sure of the figures you get, you need to set simulation settings specifically, either  for jitter or for phase noise.    For oscillator you should only ask only  for self-referred jitter figures,  Jc(K) and Jcc(k),  but not JEE

    Edouard

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