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How to make RF type simulation faster with MULTI-COREs & MULTI-THREADS

RFStuff
RFStuff over 12 years ago

 Dear All,

While PSS type simualtion of extracted netlist, it takes a lot of time ( like 12 to 14 hrs). ( IC5141,MMSIM12)

 Is there any ways of running things so that the simulations can exploit the Multicores in the machine/workstation.

Kind Regards,

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  • Andrew Beckett
    Andrew Beckett over 12 years ago

    Did you try turning on "APS" in the Setup->High Performance Options form? You can control the number of threads that way too.

    There's also the option to do parasitic reduction on this form.

    Of course, it follows that you should ensure your PSS is set up appropriately too (you didn't give any details).

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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  • RFStuff
    RFStuff over 12 years ago

     Dear Andrew,

    The query is not for a specific PSS set-up. It is generic. It is about how to exploit the machine resources and speed up  the simulation.

    I checked the Setup option in ADE.

    But couldn't find the option  "High Performance Options form". I could only see one option called TURBO/Parasitoc Reduction.

    What is TURBO. I  TURBO option form I am able to see Multithread option.

    The Multicore option is NOT there.

    Where I can get APS.

    Kind Regards,

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  • Andrew Beckett
    Andrew Beckett over 12 years ago

    Which version of spectre are you using (spectre -W from the command line), and which version of Virtuoso (either "icfb -W" or "virtuoso -W")? I suspect you're using too old versions (Spectre Turbo was an earlier enhancement to spectre and spectreRF to provide some speed up - it's now end of lifed as the functionality is superseded by the APS ("Accelerated Parallel Simulator") option to spectre/spectreRF.

    Andrew

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  • RFStuff
    RFStuff over 12 years ago

    Dear Andrew,

    I am currently using

     Spectre: sub-version  10.1.1.200.isr13

     icfb: sub-version 5.10.41.500.6.132

    Kind Regards,

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  • Andrew Beckett
    Andrew Beckett over 12 years ago

    Your IC version is too old. The high performance form (which replaces the Turbo/Parasitics form) was introduced in 5.10.41.500.6.141 (any later version would be OK too).

    Without this you could enter +aps +mt=N on the userCmdLineOption field on Setup->Environment (where N is the number of threads you want - or just +mt if you want it to auto-choose).

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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  • RFStuff
    RFStuff over 12 years ago

     Dear Andrew,

    Thanks a lot.

    Is there any option to use multiple cores of the machine.

    Kind Regards,

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  • Andrew Beckett
    Andrew Beckett over 12 years ago
    If you are using multiple threads, it will use multiple cores. The expectation is that the threads will use a high amount of CPU and hence will be fulfilled using the multiple cores on the machine. So it would make no sense to request multiple cores - what you are actually requesting is the number of threads of parallel work that the simulator is performing.

    Regards,
    Andrew
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  • RFStuff
    RFStuff over 12 years ago

     Dear Andrew,

    I installed the lattest ISR for IC5141.

    The spectre version :sub-version 10.1.1.200.isr13

    The icfb version:- sub-version 5.10.41.500.6.151

     Now I am getting the desired form for APS.

    I have attched the snapshot of the form

    It is asking for number of threads & Also process affinity ( is it for Number of cores).

    Suppose I have 16 cores then what I should give to exploit all the cores

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  • Andrew Beckett
    Andrew Beckett over 12 years ago

    Do not fill in the process affinity - leave it blank. It's an esoteric option which can potentially give some extra speed, but it has to be used very carefully (the idea is that it allows you to tell the simulator which range of cores you want to "reserve" - the danger is that if you have multiple simulations reserving the same specific core numbers, it can end up being slower, of course). Without this the OS will take care of allocating cores (which may change over time depending on the machine loading).

    If you specify the number of threads as "auto", it will pick up to 8 (depending on the machine having that number of cores, and the circuit being large enough to benefit from them). If "manual" you could specify 16 (or whatever number you want).

    You should also select "APS" of course.

    That's it - very simple.

    Andrew.

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  • RFStuff
    RFStuff over 12 years ago

     Dear Andrew,

    Thanks a lot for your reply.

    As you see there are thre otions in the form. Spectre, Turbo , APS.

    I thinks APS can affect the accuracy.

    I used Spectre but it takes maximum 8 cores and 8 threads.

    Why spectre is taking maximum 8 cores. 

    Can you throw some light on these options.

    Kind Regards,

     

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