• Skip to main content
  • Skip to search
  • Skip to footer
Cadence Home
  • This search text may be transcribed, used, stored, or accessed by our third-party service providers per our Cookie Policy and Privacy Policy.

  1. Community Forums
  2. RF Design
  3. oscillation frequency estimate using harmonic balance

Stats

  • Locked Locked
  • Replies 7
  • Subscribers 63
  • Views 16445
  • Members are here 0
This discussion has been locked.
You can no longer post new replies to this discussion. If you have a question you can start a new discussion

oscillation frequency estimate using harmonic balance

fishbed
fishbed over 10 years ago

 Hi,

 I am working on a crystal oscillator.  I want to estimate frequency pulling over temperature caused by circuit (excluding crystal).  I am looking at something around 0.01ppm/C level or less.  It takes too much time to use shooting mehod.  So I use harmonic balance to figure out oscillation frequency.  It gives good resulton 2ppm frequency pulling (matches my hand calculation).  But I do not know if 0.01ppm frequency pulling can be simulated by harmonic balance.  What parameters do I need to tighten?

 

The oscillator XIN and XOUT have small sinusoidal swing.  Not much harmonics at all.

Thank you in advance!


 

  • Cancel
Parents
  • ShawnLogan
    ShawnLogan over 10 years ago

    Dear fishbed,

    > Am I correct?

    Basically yes. 

    I would recommend applying a sinusoidal current source whose current magnitude is set to provide the same magnitude but opposite sign as the series arm of the quartz crystal unit series arm - not a voltage source. The reason for this is that the current through the series arm of the quart crystal unit model will be essentially sinusoidal. The voltage across the series arm may not be free from harmonic distortion as some current in the sustaining amplifier and C0 may cause the voltage waveform to have distortion. However, the current through the series arm - which you are modeling with a current source will be essentially distortion free. I hope this makes sense to you.

    Shawn

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Cancel
Reply
  • ShawnLogan
    ShawnLogan over 10 years ago

    Dear fishbed,

    > Am I correct?

    Basically yes. 

    I would recommend applying a sinusoidal current source whose current magnitude is set to provide the same magnitude but opposite sign as the series arm of the quartz crystal unit series arm - not a voltage source. The reason for this is that the current through the series arm of the quart crystal unit model will be essentially sinusoidal. The voltage across the series arm may not be free from harmonic distortion as some current in the sustaining amplifier and C0 may cause the voltage waveform to have distortion. However, the current through the series arm - which you are modeling with a current source will be essentially distortion free. I hope this makes sense to you.

    Shawn

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Cancel
Children
No Data

Community Guidelines

The Cadence Design Communities support Cadence users and technologists interacting to exchange ideas, news, technical information, and best practices to solve problems and get the most from Cadence technology. The community is open to everyone, and to provide the most value, we require participants to follow our Community Guidelines that facilitate a quality exchange of ideas and information. By accessing, contributing, using or downloading any materials from the site, you agree to be bound by the full Community Guidelines.

© 2025 Cadence Design Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

  • Terms of Use
  • Privacy
  • Cookie Policy
  • US Trademarks
  • Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information