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RMS Jitter From Phase Noise

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strigois over 10 years ago

I am trying to convert Phase Noise to RMS Jitter(radians), but I'm having trouble following the units through the process.

To get RMS Jitter, in radians, from Phase Noise you must integrate the Phase Noise.  What are the units of integrated Phase Noise and how do they cancel.  The equation I am currently using for this is A = Phase Noise (L(f)) + 10*log10(frequency2- frequency1) and to generate the RMS Jitter value in radians I am using sqrt(2*10^(A/10)).

Additionally, what are the units for 10*log10(frequency2- frequency1) and if L(f) is the ratio of Pcarrier and Poffset in dBm, and that has units of dBc/Hz, what would be the units if it were converted to a linear value.

Thank you for any insight you might have on these questions.

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    ShawnLogan over 10 years ago

    Dear Grant,

    I've tried to answer your questions as best I can below.

    Shawn

    > To get RMS Jitter, in radians, from Phase Noise you must integrate the Phase

    > Noise.  What are the units of integrated Phase Noise and how do they cancel.

    > The equation I am currently using for this is A = Phase Noise (L(f)) + 10*

    > log10(frequency2- frequency1) and to generate the RMS Jitter value in radians

    > I am using sqrt(2*10^(A/10)).

    If one is given the phase noise characteristic, as defined by L(f) in dBc/Hz, then over specific frequency range [f2,f1], the rms jitter in radians and in units of time are found as follows:

    1. Integrate the function L(f) between f2 and f1

    2. The rms jitter expressed in radians is (2*[Integral(L(f) between f2 and f1]))^0.50

    3. The rms jitter expressed in units of time for the carrier frequency fc is [(2*[Integral(L(f) between f2 and f1)])^0.50]/(2pi*fc)

    > Additionally, what are the units for 10*log10(frequency2- frequency1) and if L

    > (f) is the ratio of Pcarrier and Poffset in dBm, and that has units of dBc/Hz

    > , what would be the units if it were converted to a linear value.

    The integration of L(f) is done in the linear frequency domain. The units of the integral are radian^2 as seen from [2] above. The units of L(f) are 1/Hz. The units remain the same when converted to a linear value since the quantity still represents a ratio.

    > Follow up question. Since L(f) is the ratio of Poffset and Pcarrier(L(f) = Po/

    > Pc), it follows that if you increase Pcarrier you decrease L(f), which in turn

    > decreases Jitter. If this is true, then one could remove Jitter by increasing

    > the power of the carrier. Is this true?

    The general answer to your comment is yes - with some caveats. If the random or deterministic noise of concern does not increase proportionally with the carrier amplitude, then increasing the waveform amplitude is a common method used to reduce the magnitude of the jitter over a specific frequency range. However, this method quickly can reach a point of diminishing returns as the added power can make the design non-competitive.

    I hope this provides some help!

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  • ShawnLogan
    ShawnLogan over 10 years ago

    Dear Grant,

    I've tried to answer your questions as best I can below.

    Shawn

    > To get RMS Jitter, in radians, from Phase Noise you must integrate the Phase

    > Noise.  What are the units of integrated Phase Noise and how do they cancel.

    > The equation I am currently using for this is A = Phase Noise (L(f)) + 10*

    > log10(frequency2- frequency1) and to generate the RMS Jitter value in radians

    > I am using sqrt(2*10^(A/10)).

    If one is given the phase noise characteristic, as defined by L(f) in dBc/Hz, then over specific frequency range [f2,f1], the rms jitter in radians and in units of time are found as follows:

    1. Integrate the function L(f) between f2 and f1

    2. The rms jitter expressed in radians is (2*[Integral(L(f) between f2 and f1]))^0.50

    3. The rms jitter expressed in units of time for the carrier frequency fc is [(2*[Integral(L(f) between f2 and f1)])^0.50]/(2pi*fc)

    > Additionally, what are the units for 10*log10(frequency2- frequency1) and if L

    > (f) is the ratio of Pcarrier and Poffset in dBm, and that has units of dBc/Hz

    > , what would be the units if it were converted to a linear value.

    The integration of L(f) is done in the linear frequency domain. The units of the integral are radian^2 as seen from [2] above. The units of L(f) are 1/Hz. The units remain the same when converted to a linear value since the quantity still represents a ratio.

    > Follow up question. Since L(f) is the ratio of Poffset and Pcarrier(L(f) = Po/

    > Pc), it follows that if you increase Pcarrier you decrease L(f), which in turn

    > decreases Jitter. If this is true, then one could remove Jitter by increasing

    > the power of the carrier. Is this true?

    The general answer to your comment is yes - with some caveats. If the random or deterministic noise of concern does not increase proportionally with the carrier amplitude, then increasing the waveform amplitude is a common method used to reduce the magnitude of the jitter over a specific frequency range. However, this method quickly can reach a point of diminishing returns as the added power can make the design non-competitive.

    I hope this provides some help!

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