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Will the next Presto update contain the features of the Orcad legacy pcb tool?

DG202504226528
DG202504226528 2 months ago

I'm at a loss in Presto.  It's like 1/10 the tool that the legacy one is it seems.  Did I just waste all my time learning Presto when you can't even seem to do a whole design without having to load up the legacy tool all the time to do simple things?  

I'd like to know what will be updated in Presto.  Does anyone have a list?  Should I just ditch Presto and learn the legacy tool properly?   Trying to do a proper design with blind and buried vias, BGAs, 10-12 layers is virtually impossible with Presto.  Tool crashes at least 2x a day.  Can't even sync with the schematic most times and need to use the legacy even for that Disappointed

Anyone have a list of new features coming down the road???

Also... to anyone that uses the legacy tool.  How does it compare to the Allegro tool?  I come from a background of using Expedition for 10 years and Altium designer for 15.

Just wondering what I should waste my time on learning... thanks all.

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  • kevcon
    0 kevcon 1 month ago

    After a brief stint I ditched Presto and went back to Legacy, the number of things that I just could not do drove me insane. The one thing that absolutely sent me over the edge was having to select the Design Outline to move the origin. Still scratching my head over that one.

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  • JuanCR
    0 JuanCR 1 month ago in reply to kevcon

    Both tools serve their purpose and you're right: there are a number of features from Allegro X PCB Editor that you'll only find in it because it is the higher tier tool. I guess the best way to approach it (and replying to OP) would be to go to each of the product's home pages, read their features and see which one adapts more to your requirements.

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  • DG202504226528
    0 DG202504226528 1 month ago in reply to JuanCR

    But why?  Why do we need both tools to just do stuff like other pcb tools can do with just one unified UI.  It's super weird.  

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  • kevcon
    0 kevcon 1 month ago in reply to JuanCR

    For me Presto will never be my goto tool unless some serious shortfalls are fixed. 

    There are only a few things I like about it, while there are for more that I don't like about it.

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  • NM202410311849
    0 NM202410311849 1 month ago in reply to JuanCR

    This doesn't really answer the question though. While it's easy to accept the lack of features compared to Allegro, that doesn't explain the complete lack of feature parity between OrCAD X PCB Editor and OrCAD X Presto (the purchase of an OrCAD X License gives access to both).

    Even ignoring bugs in presto, it makes no sense for end users to dedicate time to learn a half baked product that will just force us to go back to the legacy tool (which seems unsupported in terms of major updates) when features are just straight up missing. 

    I get making an effort to improve the UI and interoperability, but those changes mean nothing when the biggest update in 2 years has been the ability to use custom fonts

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  • DG202504226528
    0 DG202504226528 1 month ago in reply to NM202410311849

    Yeah, I come from using Expedition for 10 years, then Altium designer for close to 20 years and going to Orcad 6 months ago has been quite the roller coaster.  I'm kicking myself for having wasted a ton of time learning Presto when I should have just stuck with the legacy tool instead.  I'm knee deep into an HDI design and had to start learning the legacy tool last week so that I can finish this job.  

    The legacy tool is super powerful, but cryptic :)  ChatGTP has been a godsend for figuring it out and getting and ENV file and shortcuts to bring out the true power of the tool.  

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    0 DG202504226528 1 month ago in reply to NM202410311849

    Yeah, I come from using Expedition for 10 years, then Altium designer for close to 20 years and going to Orcad 6 months ago has been quite the roller coaster.  I'm kicking myself for having wasted a ton of time learning Presto when I should have just stuck with the legacy tool instead.  I'm knee deep into an HDI design and had to start learning the legacy tool last week so that I can finish this job.  

    The legacy tool is super powerful, but cryptic :)  ChatGTP has been a godsend for figuring it out and getting and ENV file and shortcuts to bring out the true power of the tool.  

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  • passedpawn
    0 passedpawn 21 days ago in reply to DG202504226528

    I could have typed that exact thing.  In the near future I need to start using Altium for one of my clients (they already use it), so I might just let this license expire and move to that tool.  This presto experiment has been pretty bad really.  

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    0 DG202504226528 21 days ago in reply to passedpawn

    Yeah, I'm hoping they'll let me get a single Altium license at work next year once we need to renew.  Altium is around the same price and you get a ton more.  They even have a constraint manager now as well.  The schematic side is super nice to work with and the pcb as well really.  You can actually do things like measure correctly, make parts super quickly, the cloud setup with the Explorer for project and parts management is amazing really.  

    Going to Cadence is like stepping into time warp when I was working on a Unix workstation back 30 years doing pcbs.  We had the same exact weird non connected setup back then.

    I also really miss not being able to copy stuff from one pcb to another by having them both open within the same environment.  

    Allegro needs to just bite the bullet and really fix Presto and do weekly updates and fixes till it's up to snuff like Altium did 5-6 years ago.  

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  • passedpawn
    0 passedpawn 20 days ago in reply to DG202504226528

    Funny:  a week or two ago, Cadence had a release video conf where they introduced new 25.1 features in Presto.  John Carney, their product dev manager, demo'd some of these new features.  He tried hard to measure anything, but the feature was totally not working - he had to embarrassingly move on with a "hmmm, wonder why that doesn't work".  

    I say, welcome to my world John.  

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  • passedpawn
    0 passedpawn 20 days ago in reply to passedpawn

    To be fair, I'd had some fun learning to use presto, and there are some features I really like, that work well.  Livedoc is good. Component placement works really well in Presto, especially when using Capture to select a related grouup of parts, then using the component place tool in "cluster" mode.  Gerber creation is OK, though for some reason loads of log files etc gets put into the ZIP archive.  

    The list of issues is way, way longer though.  Not gonna beat a dead horse there.  But I've been sending all my issues directly to John Carney since 23.1.  Most of them have not been fixed, so I have no confidence they will be anytime soon.  

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