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Lightning protection.

JPeter
JPeter over 15 years ago

I can't seem to find a chart anywhere to tell me how big my traces need to be to handle a high current (500A) short duration (120us) lightning pulse.

 Has anybody come across a chart that covers this?

All the charts I see are for continuous current.

 

Thanks.

 

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  • Robert Finley
    Robert Finley over 15 years ago

    I'm not an expert.  But, here are some ideas.  

    You don't want to allow nearly all of the surge to conduct through your pcb to earth ground.

    You will find that it is totally economically unfeasable to protect your system from a direct hit indicated by your 500amp spec.  Not to mention your power cord and all wiring to the ground rod at the breaker panel will vaporize even if the pcb could handle it. 

    Most of what I have learned has been from Broadcasters keeping transmitters on the air in all weather. http://www.bdcast.com/fgal/white_paper/ground_BCEWHP.pdf

    Phone companies rely on arc gap and MOV devices in the demarcation box where the phoneline enters the building to shunt a lightning surge to earth ground.  Cable companies protect their systems by using a coax CATV grounding block connected to a water pipe or the building ground rod.

    I don't think forgoing similar devices is worthwhile. 

    On your pcb at the IO connector, you can use MOVs to dump any surge that leaks to your pcb to earth ground, not DC ground.  

    At the connector on your pcb, your breakdown voltage calculations will be constrained by the voltage rating of the MOV, usually around 450volts.  Which is even easier to design to knowing the breakdown voltage of soldermask or fiberglass/epoxy surrounding internal trace layers is in the kV range.   How thick should the traces be?  I can only guess because there are a few variables to deal with.  Instantaneous resistance of the MOV during a surge and the actual voltage of a surge.  Ohms law for gamblers.

    Try to keep the earth ground path as short and simple as possible to minimize the inductance that will keep those MOVs from doing their job during a surge.
     
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  • JPeter
    JPeter over 15 years ago

    Thanks for the response, Robert.

    This is for an aviation application, where we need to protect against surges coming in through our connector.

    We have protection circuitry, but I've got to get there from the connector.

    I will take a look at the broadcasting link you sent.  That should be interesting.

     

    John

     

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  • RFDTeradyne
    RFDTeradyne over 15 years ago

    Have you considered taking apart a surge protector outlet strip to see what they used? It isn't avionics or direct hit but it might give you a clue.

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  • Robert Finley
    Robert Finley over 15 years ago

    Aviation?   Aaack!!!

    All I've ever worked with is stuff sticking out of the ground.

    I wish you had a more knowledgeable source than us to ask.  

    Anyone work for Boeing.  B-)
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  • JPeter
    JPeter over 15 years ago
    Our EE has been back in the lab with a board. A 10 mil trace, internal, 1oz copper handled up to about 350A for a 120usec pulse. (I had some sections at 10 mils through connector pins, my fault) A 20 mil trace handled up to 600A, but the via (30/14) gave out somewhere before that. For our next spin, I will double up traces and vias. The bigger problem is fitting in the larger components they are asking for. Ahh, the fun of being handed new requirements after we've already built up boards. Thanks, all, for the comments.
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