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Maintain "Persistence" of Find after done command is completed while routing.

excellon1
excellon1 over 7 years ago

Hi.

When in EtchEdit mode or general edit mode for routing I notice that when routing is finished by selecting "Done" the settings in the find dialog
settings get blown out.

I am trying to maintain the relationship between adding etch with find after the fact. In other words after etch is added to the canvas I want the
find dialog to retain ( Cline Segs, Pins, Nets, Rats T etc ) so that those items are selectable for either info or basic editing after the fact.

Is there any way to accomplish this other than creating a macro for find entities ?.

Basic idea is to have find pre-checked for a given command such as routing etc.

Something like a "IF Done" at the macro level would be helpful too though I do not know if something like that is supported ? , Like execute
the macro, after done is selected as an action then the macro runs the part to check find dialog items.

Thanks Paul. 

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  • S0undman99
    S0undman99 over 7 years ago

    Paul, I believe that the intended use model (and how I've been using the application modes) is to not necessarily use the commands.  And then, your find filter is retained as it switches to the different application mode. I tend to leave all objects selected in each application mode, When you do this, in Etch Edit, it knows that if you hover over a pin and click on it, it knows that you want to add connect.  Similarly, if you are in placement edit mode and you click on the same pin, it knows that you want to move the component.  This way, I eliminate the notion of picking my action first and then picking where I want to apply that action.  I still pick the application mode first, but now the list of available actions is greatly reduced (mostly add connect and slide in etch edit).  Once you are outside of getting all of your standard etch, and placements and shapes, then I go back into General Edit mode and continue to operate as we used to back before the application modes were a thing.

    If for example I want to focus in on one particular thing (e.g. moving text only in placement edit), then I will use the super filter.  The super filter then selects just that one type of object.  It's available from the right-click menu and you don't have to go find it over in the window pane.  The 'super filter' is not retained as you switch between application modes and is also overridden if you select a command within an application mode.

    I guess I'm saying, leave the find filter for all application modes, use the application modes to inherently drive your find filter, then utilize super filter when it makes sense and if all else fails, go to General Edit and use the find filter in a 'legacy' manner.  That's at least what I've been using, and it's been working well.  Granted, it's been very difficult to shake old habits, but when I remember to use the tool that way, it does work pretty well.

    ~ Pat

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  • riklee
    riklee over 7 years ago in reply to S0undman99

    I'd like to add to the above that by using the Tab key on the keyboard it will cycle through the elements that you have enabled in the find filter Example
    While in an app mode mode hover over a pin and you will see the datatip on the element that would be selected.
    Use the tab key and a different datatip will be shown and the tool would then act on that element
    Use the tab key again to get the next element in the list

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  • excellon1
    excellon1 over 7 years ago in reply to riklee

    Hi Rik, Indeed

    The tab selection is actually really good provided you have "Find Objects Checked" such as cline segs etc. The Issue is making sure those objects are checked.

    Thanks Paul

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  • excellon1
    excellon1 over 7 years ago in reply to S0undman99

    Pat,

    What I did is went to each mode  without invoking any commands and set the find filter for the objects of interest. So right now I have different find options for
    both General Edit Mode and etch edit mode. When in etch edit and selecting done after a trace has been routed, the Find filter does indeed retain the settings
    I gave it. This is what I was after Slight smile

    So it is interesting though not really obvious that you would have to set find for each mode in advance. You have me wondering now if those find
    settings get retained on a config file or are they on a database by database basis ?

    If by a database retention only then a little macro should be an ez fix, Or save out a brd as a template for new designs.

    Rick had pointed out about using the tab key too as a method to cycle the find objects. I had configured the data tips earlier and it is all working very well.
    I really like how Allegro is handling etch, it is extremely fluid.

    To automate things a bit I configured two strokes, One for adding clines and one to delete them. This thing is just working great and it is fast too.
    I don't even have to touch a menu for those items now... it is pretty cool. I was looking for a way to include the "toggle" option so it would remain
    checked always while routing, that mode just seems better to me than the unchecked default, anyway I incorporated that into the stroke command
    and Success ! Yay !.

    I guess the secret if you will is in the prep.

    Thanks for the help and a really good tip on this, thanks to Rick too. 

    All the best Paul.

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  • riklee
    riklee over 7 years ago in reply to excellon1

    For delete, I might be inclined to add the following to my env file

    funckey d "prepopup; pop dyn_option_select @:@Delete"

    when in the design you hover over a cline, segment, text, shape, via and use the "d" key. No mouse involved.

    Toggle I might do something like:

    alias t2 set toggle on
    alias t1 set toggle off
    funckey t 'settoggle CMD t1 t2;$CMD'

    Then, using the t key, you can enable or disable the toggle command.

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