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Flex to rigid contact modeling is giving very high peaks in forces

sb.idiada
sb.idiada over 3 years ago
I am modeling a flex to rigid contact. In this I have two queries. First is regarding IMPACT function, it works decently well when surfaces remain in contact. But where there is frequent attach-detach scenario, I am getting random and impractical forces. 
Second question is regarding contact force recorded in result file: I downloaded a macro from simcompanion which basically collates all the nodes and then calculated damping force and stiffness force seperately using inputs and basic IMPACT function. The total force given by this macro does not match with the force shown in result file. So what is the validity of the force shown in result file.
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  • Jesper Slattengren
    Jesper Slattengren over 3 years ago +1
    Download HertzWin and use that to get better estimate for the contact stiffness. Add increasing forces, read out the penetration and plot force vs displacement in Excel. Fit a power trendline and you have…
  • Jesper Slattengren
    Jesper Slattengren over 3 years ago +1 verified
    Select the materials and the dimensions and contact type. For you, probably a line contact with the Length=width of the leaf spring, radius 1 rather large (50 mm?) and radius 2 infinite can come fairly…
  • Alexis Del Rio
    0 Alexis Del Rio over 3 years ago
    Can you give some details of the contact settings, parts materials..., please?
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    0 sb.idiada over 3 years ago
    sure. I am using IMPACT function with 60000 N/mm stiffness , 1.2 exponent, 0.5% damping (notably, I have tried damping variation from 0.5% to 5%) of stiffness. I haven't activated friction.
    Rigid body material is Steel. Flexbody material, I believe is Steel as well (Its a leafspring so it is definitely a steel alloy).
     
    I have tried variations of stiffness from 10k to 100k and damping from 0.5% to 5%. Also tried playing with exponent from 1.2 to 2.2.
     
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    0 Jesper Slattengren over 3 years ago
    Download HertzWin and use that to get better estimate for the contact stiffness. Add increasing forces, read out the penetration and plot force vs displacement in Excel. Fit a power trendline and you have good guesses for stiffness and exponent.
    Do not use damping values higher than 0.1% of stiffness value for metallic materials. Probably even lower than that. There is not much damping in steel-steel contact (here is a nice procedure: take a ball bearing ball and let it bounce on a steel plate, measure height, apply logarithmic decrement, correct for aerodynamic resistance)
     
    Make sure that your solver settings are tight enough so that the solver is converged. For contact problems, HHT is usually good. Start with error=1e-5 and hmax=1e-3 and decrease until solutions converge.
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    0 sb.idiada over 3 years ago
    Thanks for the inputs @Jesper Slattengren​ . Let me try this approach. I will come to this thread once I try this method.
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    0 sb.idiada over 3 years ago
    Hi @Jesper Slattengren​  I tried exploring Hertzwin and succeeded partially in extracting the data. It would be great if you could guide some more on how to find the displacement from the software. I could see Impression in results section but I believe it is not the displacement that we seek. Some more guidance in this direction will be really helpful.
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