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Mixed Mode S Parameters (Differential Lanes)

ENO606
ENO606 11 months ago

I have an S8P file which is the output from a Vector Network Analyzer.

The 8 port file represents two differential Tx Line lanes, such that Sd11 are physical ports 1 & 3, and Sdd21 represent the ports 3/1 to ports 4/2 combinations

My file is all Single Ended data, but I want to convert it to Differential Mode Sdd11. Sdd21, etc, MWO help menu doesn't seem to mention mixed mode s parameters or differential s parameters.

Has anyone tried this????

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  • OscPn
    0 OscPn 11 months ago

    Here is few articles, that shows conversion of s parameters.  You can use the equations and write in the Output equations window and use to combine S parameter

    Article (20491626) Title: Single-mode to differential-mode S-parameter conversion
    URL: https://support.cadence.com/apex/ArticleAttachmentPortal?id=a1O3w000009xySxEAI

    https://www.signalintegrityjournal.com/articles/1832-a-guide-for-singleended-to-mixedmode-s-parameter-conversions

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  • CurtisAWR
    0 CurtisAWR 11 months ago

    You should be able to use the MMCONV element.  Please see the installed example, Differential_Measurements.emp, by going to File > Open Example, and searching for that example project.

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  • ENO606
    0 ENO606 11 months ago in reply to CurtisAWR

    Hi

    The MMCONV element seems like its in the neighborhood of what I'm trying to accomplish, but there are some items I have to work through

    1) the example shows a single differential lane , i.e. two coupled lines, I have two or possibly many differential lanes that will have crosstalk and cross coupling - it's not obvious to me that MMCONV element addresses this scenario

    2) When I imported my data file, I associated the data file with a schematic element FOURPORT@system.syf - i have 8 single ports which translates into four differential port

    3)  there were options for NORMAL / EXPLICIT GROUND NODE / BALANCED PORTS - when i want to import the data file into a schematic, is BALANCED PORTS the right choice???

    4) the MWO convention for plotting common mode and differential mode is a somewhat unique, Signal Integrity teams use Sdd / Scc/ Sdc as conventions - MWO doesn't seem to offer these flavors

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