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CDF simulation parameters do not update accordingly?

SUEE
SUEE over 13 years ago

Hi,

Last several weeks I mostly worked on the layout and yesterday I came back to run the simulation and found something weird.

During the last several weeks I update some instances pin name, for example I change one of the cellA pin name from "ABC" to "DEF". Yesday I run the spectre simulation and it showed a lot of warning messag because in the CDF "simulation information"/spectre the pin name is still "ABC.

 I think I never encoutered this kind of problem before, but why it happened thos time? The CDF parameters do not update accordingly?

(1) Is there any possible reason that causes this problem?

(2) What should I do to let icfb update automatically the CDF "Simulation Information" pin name, not manually? I think tens of cell pin name are changed during last several weeks so I do not want to update the CDF parameter one by one manually ....

 Thanks a lot !!

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  • SUEE
    SUEE over 13 years ago

    I forget to mention: I am using IC 5.1.0

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  • berndf
    berndf over 13 years ago

     There is a nice SourceLink Solution #11123666 for that.

    http://support.cadence.com/wps/myportal/cos/COSHome/viewsolution/!ut/p/c5/dY1LboMwAAXPkgMgG5OAWToOEGOg_BQ-G2QBTQnEhjS0Uk9fcoDMW46eBtRgmxQ_w1U8ByXFBEpQm42OPKrzPbQ_aIQhw2bE04sDN0DxepgNfAOBoAK19fII6RjanpsfIaOc-dgyEOQmuEj1uG-lHJR-Ox9PI_l1SJkwiGTdsigIM61bYjsZvrJe4gwdujPbw3SNHzoKr81aEW0VziHwjZ4aMue3gS_CSau1W57KPIkqLqok0D41aypa-8a9ifrfTairkc2tmFzcehSpHYjO6t6DeZR_Lia7f_19frU!/dl3/d3/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/

    Bernd

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  • SUEE
    SUEE over 13 years ago

    Sorry I am a graduate student and have no access to this link. I use the school's Cadence and have no idea how to apply for the access of support.cadence.com

    Is there any other link I can refer to?  Or could you briefly describe hwo to do it?

    Million thanks !!

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  • berndf
    berndf over 13 years ago

     Sorry I was not aware the people who have acces to this form do not have acces to the

    Cadence support page.

     

    If you update the pins in the symbol directly, for the defaults settings, the CDF simInfo 

    is not updated acordingly.

    This can be workaround by creating a new symbol form the schematic view, but

    chosing the modify option and let the CDF been update.

    Also the default behaviour can be change by setting the env variable:

    in the .cdsenv:

    auCore.misc updateCDFtermOrder boolean t

    OR place following in .cdsinit file:

    envSetVal("auCore.misc" "updateCDFtermOrder" 'boolean t)

     You may look for this variable in the documentation.

     

    Bernd

     

    PS: Andrew if you track this is there good a way to enter  the postings in plain text

    and get them well formated, rahter than this ugly html style?

     

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  • SUEE
    SUEE over 13 years ago

    You mean to solve my problem now I have to create every symbol view again?!   Wow .......

    One question: you mentioned that the CDF information will not be updated if I change the pin in the symbol directly? But the real case is that I did change the pin name in the schematic, too.  Will this schematic update not update the CDF information accordingly?

    Thank you !

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  • berndf
    berndf over 13 years ago
    > You mean to solve my problem now I have to create every symbol view
    > again?! Wow .......

    The solution I mentioned shows a SKILL script to slove this.
    Maybe someone from Cadence may be so kind and provide it to you.
    I'm affraid I'm not allowed to republish Cadence property.

    > One question: you mentioned that the CDF information will not be
    > updated if I change the pin in the symbol directly? But the real case
    > is that I did change the pin name in the schematic, too. Will this
    > schematic update not update the CDF information accordingly?

    Yes this is the default behaviour.
    Schematic pin names have no influence because as far as I know
    CDF will only created if a symbol view is created or updated.

    Bernd
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  • Andrew Beckett
    Andrew Beckett over 13 years ago

    The point is that if you update the pins on the schematic, you're going to have to update the symbol anyway because netlisting will fail if there's a mismatch between the symbol and schematic pins. So having the CDF update based on the symbol makes sense - that's what is going to be used to control netlisting.

    Note that these are warning messages. If it detects that the termOrder information is wrong, it tells you, and discards the information and netlists using a built-in default order algorithm. It just warns you so that you know the order in the netlist is not what it was specified in the CDF, because that's wrong.

    I don't particularly want to post the whole solution here (you should be able to get access to this somehow even as a university), but you could just use:

    artGenerateHierSymbolCDF(geGetEditCellView())

    from your schematic (schematic's best, because this will ensure any pPar() expressions in your schematic also populate the parameters section in the CDF). You could even have this on a bindkey if you need to do it a lot.

    Regards,

    Andrew.

     

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