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Spectre TRAN noise analysis ends with memory fault after warning: (SPECTRE-16780): LTE tolerance was temporarily relaxed to step over a discontinuity in the signal:

vivkr

I am trying to simulate a very simple circuit (no AHDL, VerilogA) with the TRAN noise analysis using Spectre TRAN noise analysis (MMSIM versions 12.10.347 and 12.10.402 tried).

During the course of the simulation, I get a warning message:

 WARNING (SPECTRE-16780): LTE tolerance was temporarily relaxed to step over a discontinuity in the signal

After this point, nothing further happens and I can see that the spectre job is dead. Investigating further with a trace program tells me that a memory fault has occurred, e.g.

  /tools/cds/MMSIM/12.10.402/tools/bin/spectre[533]: wait: 18468: Memory fault

Interestingly, this cannot be due to insufficient memory as:

1) That one usually elicits an explicit "memory exhausted" error from Spectre, and

2) The trace program tells me that Spectre was using upto 1 GB RAM but I had allocated 10 GB for it (and later even 40 GB in order to figure out if there might be peak memory usage at much higher levels that my trace program missed as I strobe only every few seconds).

Any useful suggestions to solve the problem would be most welcome. I do not wish to use PSS/PNOISE analysis as that usually takes longer and I can only look at one output at a time there.

Thanks,

Vivek

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  • Andrew Beckett

    Vivek,

    "Memory Fault" is generally a bug in a program which is like a "bus error" or "segmentation fault" - it's trying to access a bit of memory outside of its memory space. Note that allocating 10G or 40G won't help unless you're running in 64 bit mode (not that I think this is necessarily going to help you here) - in 32 bit mode, spectre will only be able to access less than 4Gbytes (2^32).

    Without more details of your circuit, it's going to be hard to tell what the problem is - it suggests that your circuit has some sensitivity to a discontinuity - maybe because of a flaw in the transistor models. Check for having large inductors in your circuit, or insufficient capacitance (sometimes setting cmin=1f or similar on the transient analysis can help smooth out such discontinuities).

    However, I'd recommend you contact customer support so that we can take a look at your circuit/models together. Generally such problems are indeed due to the circuit or models though, rather than the simulator (which generally is pretty good at handling discontinuities, which are a big problem for circuit simulators).

    BTW, pnoise from ADE can measure the noise at multiple places now (it runs a single pss, and then several pnoise analyses).

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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  • Andrew Beckett

    Vivek,

    "Memory Fault" is generally a bug in a program which is like a "bus error" or "segmentation fault" - it's trying to access a bit of memory outside of its memory space. Note that allocating 10G or 40G won't help unless you're running in 64 bit mode (not that I think this is necessarily going to help you here) - in 32 bit mode, spectre will only be able to access less than 4Gbytes (2^32).

    Without more details of your circuit, it's going to be hard to tell what the problem is - it suggests that your circuit has some sensitivity to a discontinuity - maybe because of a flaw in the transistor models. Check for having large inductors in your circuit, or insufficient capacitance (sometimes setting cmin=1f or similar on the transient analysis can help smooth out such discontinuities).

    However, I'd recommend you contact customer support so that we can take a look at your circuit/models together. Generally such problems are indeed due to the circuit or models though, rather than the simulator (which generally is pretty good at handling discontinuities, which are a big problem for circuit simulators).

    BTW, pnoise from ADE can measure the noise at multiple places now (it runs a single pss, and then several pnoise analyses).

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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