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Noise Options not working in PNoise Analysis

phill1127
phill1127 over 9 years ago

I am trying to use the noise options from Options->Analog to turn off the noise contributors in a buffer that drives a clock to my test circuit. I am measuring the jitter of the clock at the output of the test circuit so I am running pnoise jitter analysis.

When I leave the noise options untouched I measure an expected amount of noise and am able to break it down and plot the noise on a per instance basis with Direct Plot->Main Form. The input buffer is just to create realistic edge rates and I do not want to include its contribution to the jitter measurement. So I go to Options->Analog and under Noise Options set Noise Contribution to "off" and then for Instance List I select the instances I do not want to include (input buffer). Everything runs fine. I expect a minor reduction in jitter by excluding the buffer (I know from the untouched noise options sim who my biggest contributors are). However, the result shows a tiny amount of jitter. Through investigation I find out that all of the transistors are contributing no noise, even those in my test circuit that are not specified in the noiseoff_inst list. There are only a couple of resistors in my test circuit that have noise. I try the opposite approach and tell Noise Options to only include noise from my test circuit --- this leads to zero jitter! I have tried both ADE and ADE XL as well as pnoise jitter and pnoise timeaveraged -- the behavior is the same for all.

I did a quick check with transient noise analysis using the same options. I can see the jitter after input buffer nearly disappear when I use the same method to turn off the noise of that buffer -- the noise options appear to be working for transient. I understand from documentation that these options should also work for pnoise.

I am using ICADV12.2-64b and MMSIM Version 15.1.0.284.isr1.

Thanks,
- Phill

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    Andrew Beckett over 9 years ago

    Phill,

    I just tried the same MMSIM version as you, and don't see this issue - it seems to work fine for me.

    I suggest you contact customer support as we'll need to look at your data to figure out what's going wrong. It must be some subtlety that my example is not including (or there is something wrong with your setup, although I can't imagine what).

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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  • Andrew Beckett
    Andrew Beckett over 9 years ago

    Phill,

    I just tried the same MMSIM version as you, and don't see this issue - it seems to work fine for me.

    I suggest you contact customer support as we'll need to look at your data to figure out what's going wrong. It must be some subtlety that my example is not including (or there is something wrong with your setup, although I can't imagine what).

    Regards,

    Andrew.

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