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Liberate: Passive Power Calculation

farhan89
farhan89 over 5 years ago

I am characterizing some standard cells (NAND, NOR and D Flip-Flop) using cadence liberate (15.1.4). I am using custom Verilog-A models of the transistor. The characterization is successful with accurate delay and leakage power values bit I couldn't understand how passive power is getting calculated. I have following questions that

- Why passive power is in nJ? I believe the tool is integrating the power (for the certain input conditions of the standard cell) over the simulation time. Then essentially passive power is energy ?

- Why passive power is simulation time dependent? For example, I have run characterization for two different simulation time values (simulation time is set in the characterization tcl script) and in both cases the passive power was different while delay and leakage power is same. The change in passive power would also change the dynamic power results in the synthesis tool. How to select this simulation time?

Regards,
Farhan

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  • Guangjun Cao
    Guangjun Cao over 5 years ago

    Hi Farhan,

    First, please use the latest Liberate release for your characterization work.

    You are right, power is the calculated energy.

    What do you mean by "passive power"? is it the hidden power for input pin? 

    You can use "power_info" and "power_info_filename", along with  "extsim_save_passed" and "extsim_deck_dir" to write out and debug the power characterization.

    Regards,

    Guangjun

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    farhan89 over 5 years ago in reply to Guangjun Cao

    Hi Guangjun,

    Thank you for your help.

    Yes, the hidden pin power which is written as passive power in the datasheet generated after characterization.

    Regards,

    Farhan

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  • Guangjun Cao
    Guangjun Cao over 5 years ago in reply to farhan89

    Do you have power_tend_match_tran=1 in your settings?

    Guangjun

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    farhan89 over 5 years ago in reply to Guangjun Cao

    No, I don't have any such command in my characterization script.

    Farhan

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  • farhan89
    farhan89 over 5 years ago in reply to Guangjun Cao

    No, I don't have any such command in my characterization script.

    Farhan

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